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How to Survive the AA Meetings Long Enough to Achieve Sobriety

Posted by admin on August 17, 2014
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We attended an AA meeting yesterday in the Western Suburbs and it was a doozy – as far as a sobriety rating goes it’s at the bottom of the barrel. The chairperson claiming 30 years sobriety and still has no idea how to chair a meeting properly. She called people with no sobriety and, not alcoholics, Instead she left sober people sitting there and she didn’t recognise any difference.aa_meeting

She called a sexual predator to speak and he’s not an alcoholic. He went on to brag from the floor that he was a thief and said he steals because, we are alcoholics. Thieving in sobriety is not sobriety and alcoholics are not thieves or criminals.

Before becoming sober AA members can not consciously distinguish the different between the types of people who regularly frequent AA meetings. Non alcoholics go to AA meetings for all sorts of reasons. They tell short-termers to believe that everyone is the same who attends the meetings but everyone is not the same. Not at all.

Many people frequent AA meetings for all sorts of reasons and unfortunately sobriety is not one of them. Alcoholics go for only one reason, and that’s sobriety. This difference causes a lot of damage to the people who go hoping to find answers to a genuine alcohol problem.

Chairing An AA Meeting

A chairperson can make a mistake by calling a non alcoholic however the damage can be minimized if they realizes the mistake and if they know who they are calling beforehand. This way a chairperson can minimize mistakes on who they are calling to speak.

Things were so different to the old days when new AA members had older sober members (OSM) to keep the nutters in check. They would point out the wrongs a non alcoholic spruik from the floor of AA meetings. The chairperson at yesterdays meeting instead didn’t recognise that someone with sobriety was offering good advice and instead she apologied to a (one) newcomer for interruptions by the OSM

Her disturbing remark of an OSM’s point of view, was that she hopes the disruption doesn’t deter them from coming back. Unfortunately she’s not smart enough to realize that many newcomers/short-termers have not come back due to the many nutters like this one, and that she was defending.

Facts are that 99.99% of people attend AA only once and they do not come back. That’s even though there is generally no interruptions from OSM’s or anyone else who may be offering advice or talking sense.

If someone gets up to talk and it is consistant of them talking about steps and saying that, we need to do this and we need to do that – then it is the duty of an older sober member (OSM) to intervene and to tell the person speaking to either tell their own story – or to sit down and let someone who needs to tell their story That consists of what it was like. what happened, and what it is like now.

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Relationship problems In Early Sobriety

Posted by admin on July 15, 2014
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Alcoholics getting sober need to understand how important it is not to get into a relationship in early sobriety. You come to AA and if you are lucky enough to find someone able to help you then you have a better chance at staying sober.

The aim is to stay around long enough to get sober. Time is needed for this to happen. To get sober it has been proven it takes at least 5 to 7 years. Proven by the older sober members (OSMs) of AA who got sober on the riverbanks of Sutherland . It takes longer if you make any big mistakes. One big mistake is to get into perfect-relationshiprelationships early in sobriety.

Once sober then you can then become an older sober member (OSM) of an AA group. At times you will be in a position where short-term members will need your help. The alkies who come to AA will often have many living problems. Mostly alcohol has caused these problems. Alkies can sometimes come to AA with romance on their minds.

They have emotional problems and need advice to overcome being sexually frustrated. Alkies can overcome this problem by learning to see things as they really are. Most important for them is to be on a track of getting sober. Everything else is second to that. Until he is  properly sober he is likely to easily slip back into an old way of thinking, from the past. This old way of thinking needs to be recognised for what it is and be avoided. Simply because it didn’t work then so it will not work now. They instead need a new way of thinking for the future.

Sex Problems

A fella or woman when getting sober understands that a sexual relationship early in sobriety is likely to interfere, big time, with their head. Alkies with sex problems must learn that it’s the organ at the top of the body that needs to be worked on. By doing this (looking after their head) they learn that the other organs of the body will function normally. They need to learn they will survive an emotional experience by learning to handle it properly.

He needs to understand that he has to be sober first before he thinks about being in a relationship. This is where sober AA members will talk openly with him in a mature way, and by using the ideas of today. They say to him to, “get into reality” They remind him that when he got to AA he could hardly string two words together. Let alone have it together enough be able to hold down a conversation that would impress anyone with a bit of nous.

Feelings Are Not Facts

When he’s in short-term sobriety remind him that he is a long way from being sober. He needs to understand that, feelings are not facts. Remind him that he is still mad, as a direct result of what alcohol did to his thinking, as a primary alcoholic. It’s important for him to understand that his thinking is all out of whack and he needs to give it time to fix it and to understand that his feelings and emotions are out of whack as well.

Emotions are going up and down and is a big part of what happens to alkies when getting sober. If they are on a track of getting sober they are able to recognise this shift in thinking when it happens and will be able to correct it quickly. Alkies are not kids nor idiots. They are generally very intelligent and can handle the truth. If on the other hand they don’t get the truth they will know it, and they will go searching elsewhere for it. Be truthful with them in a way they will understand and be secure talking to you about any problem understanding their crazy mixed up feelings they have in early sobriety.

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He Really Did Survive An AA Cult

Posted by admin on October 11, 2013
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Here’s an article from someone who says he survived an AA cult. He said AA made his mental state much worse and I would agree with that. Such things do happen if you listen to those who tell you to pray and work steps for sobriety. Even so it appears that in the article the author has missed one very important point.

Point is that bad advice cult_meetingcan be given anywhere. Inside or outside of AA and it’s up to you as to whether you listen to bad advice or not.

We always need to check out who is giving the advice and check out if they have actually walked the talk themselves. Most likely they have not.

We all need to realise that there are people in AA who are not alcoholics but who are masquerading as alcoholics. And because of this they will affect you mentally if you listen to them and try to comprehend on matters of sobriety. They will definitely send you mad if you let them.

An example here how they give AA a bad name but it’s important to stay around in AA because it’s the only thing known where alcoholics have a chance at getting sober.

Some people who masquerade in AA instead have sex problems and are sexual predators. Others have come from different 12 step programs for all sorts of problems as well as the ones looking for easy prey for sex.

Predators in AA will tell short-termers (people new to AA) that they need to work steps. By doing this they have control over alcoholics and because they are not alcoholics themselves they do not have any proper information for them on how to stay sane and sober and on how to get sober.

Non alcoholics working steps has not cured their own problems or they wouldn’t be in AA looking for sick woman and/or men as easy pickings. The knowledge non alcoholics gather from other 12 step programs enables them to move into AA meetings incognito and where they then spruik on about working steps and praying for sobriety. What else would they talk about from the floor, they don’t have a drinking story?

Alcoholics are dumb in early sobriety and they are more than likely to think that all people in AA are genuine, are alcoholics, and that they know something about sobriety. Not true, many don’t know a thing about sobriety. Instead it’s important to recognise that AA is just a collection of what is outside. Think of AA as a mini world of all the types of people outside AA.

Most people in society are looking for opportunities of some sort. AA is no different. If you don’t believe this then I would suggest that possibly you are delusional. Alcohol is a delusive drug and so it’s more then likely you’re affected.

The lesson is to learn to recognise the nutters. Recognise them as different from the alcoholics who mostly are only trying to stay sober and alive. A short-termer must learn how to sort the oats from the chaff, and in this way it becomes much easier to do outside of AA.

Alcoholics must learn to dodge the mugs in AA so that hopefully you are in a better position to control of your life outside AA. Done by controlling who comes into your orbit that may affect your stability. This process of recognising mugs is a must when attending AA meetings. Once you’re on a track of getting sober looking after yourself becomes easier.

If you can’t find an AA group with older sober members (OSM) in it who are keeping people sober then stay away from them all who frequent AA. If they can’t offer you sobriety then they have nothing for you. AA is not a social club, it’s about chasing sobriety. It’s not about making friends, or shaking hands with everyone. Why do they do that?

Stick to yourself in AA meetings and always be seeking out the principles of getting sober, i.e. how to grow further away from the last drink of alcohol. What anyone says to you that you have to do has to make sense to you. It is not stinkin’ thinkin’ to question what is said to you, as is suggested in the article. Instead alcoholics need common sense answers to common problems associated with alcohol. Don’t accept cliches as an answer. OSM will not fob you off with cliches.

Also once in AA the OSM will tell you not to go near doctors for at least the first 2 years in sobriety. This is because alcoholics are very easily wrongly diagnosed by doctors – and because of this they are often put on psyche medication by mistake – and when all that is needed is for them to be giving themselves time to become sober. An alcoholic can not get sober if he is wrongly diagnosed and put on medication.

The time taken to get properly sober is 5 to 7 years, and this is if they do everything right during that time. This time span is proven many years ago by the OSM of AA to be correct. It was also proven by Dr Sylvester Minogue who helped alcoholics for decades to get sober in AA. He helped them right up until just before he died in the 1970’s. He knew what he was doing. He was a psychiatrist, and a specialist who had his practice in Macquarie Street, Sydney. He was also an alcoholic and a mighty great man with a heart of gold.

Now-a-days because no one is getting sober it takes longer than 7 years to get sober and that is even if you are lucky enough to find someone sober enough to help you in the first place. The 7 year time span could on first impression easily be considered a sentence. That is if not thought through properly why it is so. It is not a sentence. If questioned the OSM will explain it’s time needed to give yourself to become, the person you would have become if not for alcohol.

The time period is taken for changing and the changing is for the better. The improving continues forever for sober alcoholics, but at a slower rate after they are sober.

The story in the link is unfortunate but is also typical of the wrong information that’s getting around AA. Predators do not only frequent AA meetings, they are everywhere out there in society as well. This is fact.

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