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The 27 Club and How Not To Become a Member

Posted by admin on August 15, 2014
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You don’t always have to be a musician or celebrity to become a member of the 27 Club If you are allergic to alcohol and still drinking at 27 years of age then consider yourself lucky that you’re still alive. There are many who are not, including musicians and celebrities. Many go to AA who are under 30 but they don’t stay around. A lot of people are coming from Detox centres (called Rehabs in US) into AA meetings. Not long after that many become members of The 27 Club. They are dead. Black, White, Yellow, alcohol does not discriminate, as is shown here.


If you’re allergic to alcohol and you’re still drinking by the late 20’s then life is usually really tough. An early death that’s alcohol related is very common. The statistics are hidden behind many other reasons for why they died. Some reason’s are, Traffic accidents, Suicides, Accidental deaths or Murdered. For Amy it was an alcoholic seizure at 24 years of age.

Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Alcohol puts alcoholics (people allergic to alcohol) in many dangerous situations. Many alcohol related deaths need to have the cause recorded as a direct result of alcohol. Some alcoholics are lucky enough to get to AA before they die.

30 years of age is usually the upper limit. They are then even luckier to be able to stay around in AA once they find a meeting. To survive they need to find an AA group where they can begin to learn how to get on track, to achieve sobriety. Sobriety means to be growing further away from the last drink.

If a short-termer (new member) coming to AA can stay around long enough they can then hopefully avoid becoming a statistic. If they’re a celebrity, they become a recognized member of the 27 Club.

Schoolies Week

I good place to start with awareness of a problem is to suggest to children leaving school to definitely NOT  attend Schoolies Week. This is a breeding ground for alcoholism. It’s such a dangerous time and place for kids to be a delicate time in their lives. They are not adults they are young people beginning an adult life. They need to learn how to make responsible decisions for their future. They could be allergic to alcohol and not know it.

What is the attraction with such a dark event as Schoolies Week anyway? In reality it’s just a big $$$ week for alcohol promoters and a week of madness for the kids who are expected to be binge drinking under the illusion of having a good time. For many of these kids life is never the same again and their plans for the future are gone and forgotten.

How many victims are able to stop drinking once Schoolies Week is over? No one really knows how badly kids are affected after this week of binge drinking. We believe no real statistics are taken. Certainly not made public. Marketers of alcohol probably hope none of the kids stop drinking for any length of time. Who cares if a few of them die along the way? Society is conditioned to say it’s their own fault anyway for being so stupid. We are living in an age where the victim is blamed for his own misfortune.

27 Club, Don’t Become a Member

Victims don’t always binge drink for an allergic reaction occur to alcohol. The alcohol effect on some kids, who are referred to as primary alcoholics on this blog, is that they die before they turn 30 years of age – if they can’t stop drinking before this. This fact could explain why so many become members of the 27club. They are people who died at 27.

We can’t say membership is a direct result of alcohol but we can say it does need to be noted that all of the victims/members were heavy drinkers of alcohol.

Amy Winehouse is about the only recorded member of The 27 Club who has had her death recorded as alcohol poisoning. It needs to be noted that alcohol is also the common denominator for all the other members of the club. This fact needs to be made aware. That is that alcohol is a contributing factor to the early death of ALL the musicians and celebrities of the 27Club. To have it recognized in this way may help to play a part in the awareness of the dangers of alcohol consumption and be a warning especially to kids who are leaving school and are considering going to the Schoolies Week binge drinking.

Alcoholics Anonymous Meetings

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is the only place known  to have positive results with stopping drinking. Attending AA meetings is still no guarantee of survival though. You then need to learn how to survive AA. Reading all the posts on this blog can help to insure survival.


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Are You In An Alcoholic Relationship?

Posted by admin on July 02, 2014
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Is your relationship in trouble due to problems with alcohol and is it your own or your partner’s heavy drinking that is the problem? Do you both drink? Are you in a relationship where both partners drink on a regular basis? If so and you want the relationship to survive, attention is needed. Especially if there are children involved and the alcoholic_relationshiprelationship is breaking down due to alcohol problems.

First thing you need to do is to look at the problem from an outsiders perspective. This will be hard if you are both drinking. Sort out if it really is an alcohol problem or if there’s another reason for the marriage/relationship breakdown. First thing that comes to mind is financial problems, but are they due to money spent on alcohol. It’s not cheap, and especially if you smoke as well but that’s another chapter. First establish if alcohol is the #1 problem or is it used as a lubricant to cope with other problems.

This an important point to consider if one is wanting to get to the bottom of any problem with alcohol. If you are not sure if you have an alcohol problem then the best way to find out is to stop drinking alcohol.

If you can’t stop drinking for any length of time and especially if you become even more obsessed with alcohol then you will need to admit that you do have a drinking problem. If your partner is a heavy drinker and you want him/her to cut-down/stop then it is in both partners best interest to stop drinking completely.

That is even if you think you don’t drink much and it can’t be you who has the problem, well think again. It could quite well be you as well.

You can be mistaken and it could be a costly mistake if your relationship breaks down. If you can’t stop drinking and you think your partner should stop or cut down then it could possibly be that you both have the problem. If so you need not put all the blame on a heavy drinker in the relationship.

We have learned from the older sober members (OSM)s at AA meetings that it’s (the problem) not about how much you drink or how often you drink, it’s about what it does to you. Small amounts of alcohol can cause problems such as a personality change – in someone who is allergic to alcohol and does not realise it.

It can be deceiving. That’s because heavy drinking can be manageable for some people. At least for a period of time until they cross a ‘thin red line’ into uncontrolled drinking. People with an allergy to alcohol can fall into a blackout from one drink and not be aware of what they did or how much damage they caused while in a blackout.

Both partners drinking can be looking at the other and believing they are at fault and not themselves, when in fact they are both equally at fault by abusing alcohol. That is if they are not using alcohol as it is meant to be used for social drinking and is not abused.

Another mistake partners in alcoholic relationships can make is that they think cutting down on alcohol consumption is a solution to the problem. It’s a myth, and one where even so-called-professionals are getting it wrong. Problem drinking is usually drinking for the effect. If so then having a couple of drinks is totally pointless in this situation. The only solution is total abstinence from alcohol by both partners.

If this can not be achieved then the suggestion is to take a look at AA. It may be able to help. The trick here is not to stop drinking, that is the easy part. The trick is to learn how to stay stopped by not picking up the next drink, and to be happy about it.

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Finding God in Alcoholics Anonymous

Posted by admin on July 01, 2014
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God gets in the way of alcoholics getting sober in AA – That is because they are supposed to be getting sober and that means nothing else. They are not meant to be finding God. There are trained professional people in society to help anyone who wants to find God or who is having problems in this area. Why would anyone want to be advised by the two-bit amateur spiritualists in AA for their religious guidance?

For alcoholics putting anything in front of their sobriety – even God, means that alkies are not focusing on what actually gets them sober. That  is living in the day, staying away from the past and unstable people – if they are getting God they will be getting Good and saintly god-12-steps-aa=too which is open to all sorts of misinterpretation – i.e – don’t judge – give everybody our time – even our old pals from the pub and our sometimes quite mad family members.

An alkie has to listen and to judge – what makes sense and what does not – their life depends on it!

Getting God also means they have something to compete about – who is the most saintly and spiritual and proving this to everybody else.

If you are keeping it simple when getting sober there is no other competition to be concentrating on, only  – What it was like, What happened, and What it is like now – It is that simple!

If an alkie is competing the proof is there every time they open their mouth at meetings and say what they are doing and how they are trying to find God or that they have found god by working steps and praying.

The only thing that is important to them is to be getting to regular meetings, putting sobriety first before anything else.  If alcoholics are not getting sober they are dead. They need to be living in the day and putting AA first.

If they do this they end up having less and less problems, they start thinking positively, they start being clear in their thinking and in their talking, and they are enjoying life the way that they should be. It all comes out how they are going in their talking from the floor, at an AA meeting.

If they are not living like this they will experience all sorts of problems and that is what happens to people who put God and working the steps in their life before getting sober – when they do that they are not putting their sobriety first. They need to put their sobriety first by doing the above to change the thinking.

If alcoholics are getting God they will be getting less and less clear, more and more involved with unstable people and nearer and nearer to madness or to the next drink.

The 12 steps force alkies into all of this bad stuff- they are not written for the here and now. The spiritualists will say, not to judge people. Therefor what they are saying is, do not ask questions, if anything that they are supposed to be doing is actually makes any sense. Alcoholics in AA are encouraged by the step workers and spiritualists to make friends with everybody, except other alkies who are not, “on the program”. They are to be kept away from at all times.

That is like living in castles in the sky and hope that God will look after them.  Everybody who mentions steps and God sound ok to the confused alkie – who is so unclear in his own thinking as a result from going mad by working steps and praying for sobriety, and from not living in the day. By doing this he has no hope of getting sober or sane.
Life is meant to be enjoyed not endured. Something that is missed by praying and working steps for sobriety

Getting sober is all about beginning to enjoy the experience life without artificial stimulants such as alcohol. It’s about being happy and about being who you were meant to be if alcohol hadn’t gotten in the way.  AA is for getting alcoholics sober to enjoy their lives.

They have to get sober first so that they can decide on what they want to do with their lives and if that is to become a spiritual person then well and good, but they have no hope of becoming anything unless they, get sober first.

Alcoholics can not get sober unless they put “sobriety” first.  Putting “Spirituality” first means they will only end up madder and they will get drunk again or they will neck themselves. This is a common occurrence in AA by alkies who have been put on the wrong track by the step workers and the spiritualists.

They need to also stay away form recovery centres, counsellors and social workers. They have no idea what a primary alcoholic needs to be getting sober.

God does not like alcoholics. The OSM’s of AA say that if they ever met up with god in their travels they will be wanting to know what he has against alcoholics wanting to get sober in AA.

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He Really Did Survive An AA Cult

Posted by admin on October 11, 2013
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Here’s an article from someone who says he survived an AA cult. He said AA made his mental state much worse and I would agree with that. Such things do happen if you listen to those who tell you to pray and work steps for sobriety. Even so it appears that in the article the author has missed one very important point.

Point is that bad advice cult_meetingcan be given anywhere. Inside or outside of AA and it’s up to you as to whether you listen to bad advice or not.

We always need to check out who is giving the advice and check out if they have actually walked the talk themselves. Most likely they have not.

We all need to realise that there are people in AA who are not alcoholics but who are masquerading as alcoholics. And because of this they will affect you mentally if you listen to them and try to comprehend on matters of sobriety. They will definitely send you mad if you let them.

An example here how they give AA a bad name but it’s important to stay around in AA because it’s the only thing known where alcoholics have a chance at getting sober.

Some people who masquerade in AA instead have sex problems and are sexual predators. Others have come from different 12 step programs for all sorts of problems as well as the ones looking for easy prey for sex.

Predators in AA will tell short-termers (people new to AA) that they need to work steps. By doing this they have control over alcoholics and because they are not alcoholics themselves they do not have any proper information for them on how to stay sane and sober and on how to get sober.

Non alcoholics working steps has not cured their own problems or they wouldn’t be in AA looking for sick woman and/or men as easy pickings. The knowledge non alcoholics gather from other 12 step programs enables them to move into AA meetings incognito and where they then spruik on about working steps and praying for sobriety. What else would they talk about from the floor, they don’t have a drinking story?

Alcoholics are dumb in early sobriety and they are more than likely to think that all people in AA are genuine, are alcoholics, and that they know something about sobriety. Not true, many don’t know a thing about sobriety. Instead it’s important to recognise that AA is just a collection of what is outside. Think of AA as a mini world of all the types of people outside AA.

Most people in society are looking for opportunities of some sort. AA is no different. If you don’t believe this then I would suggest that possibly you are delusional. Alcohol is a delusive drug and so it’s more then likely you’re affected.

The lesson is to learn to recognise the nutters. Recognise them as different from the alcoholics who mostly are only trying to stay sober and alive. A short-termer must learn how to sort the oats from the chaff, and in this way it becomes much easier to do outside of AA.

Alcoholics must learn to dodge the mugs in AA so that hopefully you are in a better position to control of your life outside AA. Done by controlling who comes into your orbit that may affect your stability. This process of recognising mugs is a must when attending AA meetings. Once you’re on a track of getting sober looking after yourself becomes easier.

If you can’t find an AA group with older sober members (OSM) in it who are keeping people sober then stay away from them all who frequent AA. If they can’t offer you sobriety then they have nothing for you. AA is not a social club, it’s about chasing sobriety. It’s not about making friends, or shaking hands with everyone. Why do they do that?

Stick to yourself in AA meetings and always be seeking out the principles of getting sober, i.e. how to grow further away from the last drink of alcohol. What anyone says to you that you have to do has to make sense to you. It is not stinkin’ thinkin’ to question what is said to you, as is suggested in the article. Instead alcoholics need common sense answers to common problems associated with alcohol. Don’t accept cliches as an answer. OSM will not fob you off with cliches.

Also once in AA the OSM will tell you not to go near doctors for at least the first 2 years in sobriety. This is because alcoholics are very easily wrongly diagnosed by doctors – and because of this they are often put on psyche medication by mistake – and when all that is needed is for them to be giving themselves time to become sober. An alcoholic can not get sober if he is wrongly diagnosed and put on medication.

The time taken to get properly sober is 5 to 7 years, and this is if they do everything right during that time. This time span is proven many years ago by the OSM of AA to be correct. It was also proven by Dr Sylvester Minogue who helped alcoholics for decades to get sober in AA. He helped them right up until just before he died in the 1970’s. He knew what he was doing. He was a psychiatrist, and a specialist who had his practice in Macquarie Street, Sydney. He was also an alcoholic and a mighty great man with a heart of gold.

Now-a-days because no one is getting sober it takes longer than 7 years to get sober and that is even if you are lucky enough to find someone sober enough to help you in the first place. The 7 year time span could on first impression easily be considered a sentence. That is if not thought through properly why it is so. It is not a sentence. If questioned the OSM will explain it’s time needed to give yourself to become, the person you would have become if not for alcohol.

The time period is taken for changing and the changing is for the better. The improving continues forever for sober alcoholics, but at a slower rate after they are sober.

The story in the link is unfortunate but is also typical of the wrong information that’s getting around AA. Predators do not only frequent AA meetings, they are everywhere out there in society as well. This is fact.

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How To Survive Your First AA Meeting.

Posted by admin on October 08, 2013
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In NSW an AA meeting usually goes for an hour and a half. Some will only go for an hour in other states and in NZ. Some UK and USA meetings are an hour as well. The meeting/group will consist of a secretary, who appoints a chairperson from their group to chair the meeting.

If the secretary does not have a group member to go in the chair then you know that this group is not keeping people sober. A problem for you in early sobriety is that if you arrive early to the meeting then they are liable to ask you to go in the chair and will do this without any woman-sitting-at-barconsideration as to how new you may be. Most of them don’t know how to look after a short-termer

Advice is don’t arrive too early so you won’t be asked and don’t chair any of the meeting even if you are asked. Give an excuse that you may need to leave early if someone comes to pick you up. The meetings usually consist of group members as well as visitors from other groups in attendance.

The chairpersons job is to calls members in attendance to speak. When called to speak each person will get up, usually stand out the front and tell their story of what it was like, what happened, and what it is like now.

It is also called to ‘share’ and means the same thing as to speak. When you are called go out and spend usually around 10 to 15 minutes or more if you need more time to tell your story. Remember the most important person there is you. Don’t forget that.

Guidelines for new people, sometimes called short-termers,  is for you to tell your story like in 3 stages. They may be short to begin with but once your head starts to clear up you will remember more of what alcohol did to you.

1. Start your story from when you had your first drink of alcohol, as an adult, not as a child. Many alcoholics start drinking from around the age of 14 or 15 years old, from high school. Start your story from here if you first started drinking while still at school and remember what it did to you.

2. Tell how alcohol got you to AA. What happened.

3. In the third stage it should be the positive part.  Tell about what you’ve been doing to stay sober since attending AA meetings. Tell how, on a daily basis you are staying sober and tell how long you have been sober. This positive part of your story is what you need for today to keep you positive in your thinking, and if you keep on staying sober, on a daily basis then this positive experience will keep going, day after day. So different to when drinking.

Tell how long since your last drink in your story and realise this is not for no ones benefit but your own. The repetition of you telling your story is what keeps you sober, on a daily basis. By doing this it pulls you positive in your thinking and this will help you to stay sober for that day and until you attend another meeting tomorrow. One meeting a day is necessary in the early days of sobriety. Attending only ID meetings is recommended for the best results. If you are not working yet then attend 2 meetings a day. A lunchtime one and an 8pm night meeting.

When attending meetings don’t for one minute make the mistake of thinking any are good meetings. They are not. Simply because people are not staying sober. The meetings are all bad so don’t have any delusions about that. Recognise also that the majority of people in attendance are mad.

When you attend AA meetings and start thinking the meeting are good then recognise that you are mad and not seeing things as they really are. Being mad is acceptable for you in early days because this is what alcohol does to you. You need time to get sober. Recognise that you wouldn’t be there if you were not mad.

Other people in attendance of the meetings can be mad for other reasons and not necessarily due to alcohol. Some people will tell you from the floor that they are mad. It’s important to know how sober they are. This tells you a lot about them.

One thing to remember in the meetings is that people will give you the impression they are nice and they like you, and will want to be your sponsor etc. That is until they realise they can’t control you. They will try to control you with religion and/or spiritualism. They control by suggesting you get a sponsor and start working steps, and do step 4 and say you must pray for sobriety. This is not true and it doesn’t work for alcoholics.

If they tell you to work steps tell them you are still on the first step. Staying on the first step is what you must do in order to survive AA. Once the spiritualists and step workers realise they can’t control you they will change towards you and are nasty and will try to sink you. This hurdle is something you will have to stand your ground on and don’t let them send you mad by having you praying for sobriety.

From the floor when telling your story or when you’re talking to them be careful not to tell them anything about yourself or what you are doing. None of them tell you what they are doing, you will notice, so tell them nothing. This is important and especially if you are a professional person. Don’t let them know. They will hang around for what they can get and send you mad. Also don’t socialize with them after the meeting, by going with them for coffee. At least not until you get to know them and join their group.

When your new to AA don’t forget that most of the people there at these meetings are mad. You will hear and see this once your head starts to clear up. Listen to the stories and listen for identification. I.e. People who are like you and are sober and happy, without any problems. Do what they are doing to get similar results to them.

If anyone called to speak does not have a drinking story then you can not tell if they are an alcoholic or not. Many people who attend AA don’t have drinking storys and so you can not identify with them, …unfortunately. It’s safer to stay way from them.

You will survive AA if you keep it simple by staying on the first step. Attend meetings on a daily basis, and stay out of the old environment and stay away from mugs. If you’re not sure what a mug is, you only need to think about how you were when you were drinking. Stay away from people who are not sober.

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