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Topic Meetings Are Killing Alcohol Control Groups

Posted by admin on January 29, 2016
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An experience with topic meetings recently told by an AA member, 24 years sober.

I came to A.A. with many problems. luckily I attended ID meetings, not topic meetings. Sometime before attending AA meetings I deluded myself into thinking that I drank to cope with many problems. Alcohol carried me through in a strange way, even though it was also killing me. When drinking, life is one big problem. One drama after another. Problems are as consistent as the next drink.

I found Alcoholics Anonymous in the nick-of-time and found a good group. The OSM’s were keeping people sober. In this group I learned how to get rid of problems. “And” OSM Keith said, topic meetings of alcoholics anonmous“Don’t get any more problems in AA”. For goodness sake. What does that mean, I asked.

Well, to start with stay away from people talking about resentments. That’s an example of one way to have more problems after coming to AA. Recently I witnessed another example at a Topic meeting.

This Topic Meeting agenda is common to recent times. The particular meeting highlighted even bigger problems. The problems of predatory behaviour. Mainly by men targeting younger women but crazy women can be just as bad or worse.

Meetings Not listed as Topic Meetings

This day I had driven a long distance to attend the meeting. It was not listed as a Topic meeting. If it were I usually avoid topic meetings. The meeting opened, the designated chairman without warning changed the intended ID meeting into a Topic meeting. He did this by quickly asking his friend opposite to choose a topic. (I note here that there is a young, very unstable women at the meeting.)

The friend quickly and without hesitation replied, ‘Selfishness’ and the chairman then changed the meeting to a topic of selfishness. He asked his nominator to speak first on ‘selfishness’. Everyone else then expected to talk on the same topic. He changed the agenda without consultation on a desired topic. That’s how it’s done usually at topic meetings. That way members have some time to digest a concept and topic. Not this time and that’s so bad for people in attendance.

Members talked so negativity about themselves on this topic. Calling themselves selfish. Doing this will send them nuts, causing the head to spin. If an alcoholics head is spinning he will drink. If not immediately after the meeting, not long after. To settle the thinking down.

New members (short-termers) have very little protection against predatory behaviour at AA meetings. Why? Because there’s very few genuine older sober members (OSM’s) around these days. No-one left to police the meetings. I was told 24 years ago by the OSM’s that this situation will happen.

The first speaker at this meeting said that he was selfish. Selfish when drinking and still selfish. Claiming many years of sobriety and he apparently is still no better off. He went on for too long. His story all negative.

Topic Meeting had No Identification

For members to followed suit on such a topic is madness. The instigator listened closely to the women. The meeting had no I.D. for alcoholism. We had no way of knowing who’s is who: Primary, Secondary Alcoholics, Drug Addicts, a Headcase or who the Sexo’s are. No I.D. means no way to sort the oats from the chaff.

Everyone was  sitting around a table. One women pushed a Get Well card towards me, with pen, to sign. It obviously being for someone unfortunate who attends this topic meeting. At this meeting everyone identified by being sober “today” only. In that way when someone gets drunk no-one knows about it. A predator’s tracks are covered. With the amount of negativity generated at this meeting I could see that if I were in this state of min then I would drink. An alcoholic in early sobriety there would be no other choice.

That’s the difference between a primary alcoholic and a drunk. Primary’s drink because they have to not because they want to. I.D. meetings will stop this happening. Topic meetings will not. This meeting would cause anyone to drink .

Serenity Prayer

A short-termer asked to speak, his head was spinning. He tried. He babbled something about feeling pain then declined to speak. This member held himself up on a wall outside after the meeting. No group members spoke to him or offered assistance. He didn’t appear to know where he was. The two men who chose the topic followed the unstable women. She would not be selfish and deny them sex.

On closing the meeting holding hands to say the Serenity Prayer and if you haven’t already had a big dose of negativity then this negative energy received by physical contact will finish you off. Sober people stood back, did not joining in and instead watched them play a form of, ring-a-ring-a-rosy … and they all fall down… dead.

At topic meetings you often hear people from the floor say that they are not responsible for anyone to get sober. What a load of hogwash. Yes they are.

 

 

 

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How to Do the12 Steps AA: Do the 1st one and you are doing them

Posted by admin on December 15, 2015
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The 12 Steps and A A are said to go together. Although AA is a fellowship not a ‘program‘ and does not rely on working steps to have success at getting people sober. It is said by spiritualists at AA meetings that AA is a program. It is not.

Many say they’re doing 12 steps AA and they refer to AA as a program.  The Preamble  states that AA is a fellowship of men and women, not a program of men and women. It couldn’t get much clearer then that. The first step is the only one that mentions alcohol and so is the only one that needs to be done on a daily basis to help to achieve sobriety. The OSM’s, older sober members, said that if you are doing that one then you are doing The Twelve Steps.

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The first step: We admitted we were powerless over alcohol and that our lives have become unmanageable.

This step is in two parts, admitting we are powerless, we do that when we walk through the doors. If alcohol was doing for us what we thought it was doing then AA would be the last place to end up. For alcoholics, alcohol is a dangerous delusive drug, it makes them see things how they want to see it and not how it really is. People who are allergic to alcohol (primary alcoholics) are people who are chasing an effect that they never get.

If they did they would know when to stop and be happy with the desired effect and so to not to continue drinking which is what happens. They chase an effect into blackout by keeping on drinking and whatever that effect may be. They still don’t know, even when arriving at an AA meeting and they are lucky to find out after that as well. That’s simply due to the fact that there’s very little sobriety in AA these days. Sad but true.

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What Is AA

Posted by admin on July 17, 2015
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AA is for someone who has a drinking problem. By attending AA meetings it’s like a visit to the Doctor to change thinking patterns of the mind. When they need “a check-up from the neck-up” as was once said in the early days in Alcoholics Anonymous (AA)

Sobriety can be achieved by attending AA meetings on a regular basis. Alcoholics (someone allergic to alcohol) comes to get sober and to learn what to do next once they stop drinking. Stopping drinking is only a start to the journey of sobriety. To achieve sobriety it takes time. Members need time to grasp a new way of thinking and living and looking at the world.

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This doesn’t mean making AA a home. there’s very little sobriety in meetings these days. New members hoping to get sobriety information instead are told to pray and work steps. This problem is due to Doctors and Detox Centres and many institutions who are on the band wagon of making money from people wanting sobriety.

Also there’s no one to look after them. Instead what is happening now in AA is that people with no sobriety are opening up meetings and making AA their home. Sometimes they find a job because they’re not drinking now but this is the only thing that changes in their lives. Usually they have simply swapped drinking for working. They sit in meetings reading the big book and working steps and this action keeps the true alcoholic who visits their meeting, in the past. This is a same results as when drinking.

AA Prison Visits

Many will go on a roster to visit inmates in prison possibly under a delusion they can help someone. This is of course nonsense. God only knows what inmates are subjected to during such visits. They could only be reading the Big Book to them and telling them to work steps. This practice is of no value to people in prison or outside of prison.

AA members then have the problem of coping with people who come to meetings from prison and who have not been given correct information. They don’t even have basic information from outside visits on what to do when they do arrive at AA meetings.

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The 27 Club and How Not To Become a Member

Posted by admin on August 15, 2014
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You don’t always have to be a musician or celebrity to become a member of the 27 Club If you are allergic to alcohol and still drinking at 27 years of age then consider yourself lucky that you’re still alive. There are many who are not, including musicians and celebrities. Many go to AA who are under 30 but they don’t stay around. A lot of people are coming from Detox centres (called Rehabs in US) into AA meetings. Not long after that many become members of The 27 Club. They are dead. Black, White, Yellow, alcohol does not discriminate, as is shown here.

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If you’re allergic to alcohol and you’re still drinking by the late 20’s then life is usually really tough. An early death that’s alcohol related is very common. The statistics are hidden behind many other reasons for why they died. Some reason’s are, Traffic accidents, Suicides, Accidental deaths or Murdered. For Amy it was an alcoholic seizure at 24 years of age.

Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Alcohol puts alcoholics (people allergic to alcohol) in many dangerous situations. Many alcohol related deaths need to have the cause recorded as a direct result of alcohol. Some alcoholics are lucky enough to get to AA before they die.

30 years of age is usually the upper limit. They are then even luckier to be able to stay around in AA once they find a meeting. To survive they need to find an AA group where they can begin to learn how to get on track, to achieve sobriety. Sobriety means to be growing further away from the last drink.

If a short-termer (new member) coming to AA can stay around long enough they can then hopefully avoid becoming a statistic. If they’re a celebrity, they become a recognized member of the 27 Club.

Schoolies Week

I good place to start with awareness of a problem is to suggest to children leaving school to definitely NOT  attend Schoolies Week. This is a breeding ground for alcoholism. It’s such a dangerous time and place for kids to be a delicate time in their lives. They are not adults they are young people beginning an adult life. They need to learn how to make responsible decisions for their future. They could be allergic to alcohol and not know it.

What is the attraction with such a dark event as Schoolies Week anyway? In reality it’s just a big $$$ week for alcohol promoters and a week of madness for the kids who are expected to be binge drinking under the illusion of having a good time. For many of these kids life is never the same again and their plans for the future are gone and forgotten.

How many victims are able to stop drinking once Schoolies Week is over? No one really knows how badly kids are affected after this week of binge drinking. We believe no real statistics are taken. Certainly not made public. Marketers of alcohol probably hope none of the kids stop drinking for any length of time. Who cares if a few of them die along the way? Society is conditioned to say it’s their own fault anyway for being so stupid. We are living in an age where the victim is blamed for his own misfortune.

27 Club, Don’t Become a Member

Victims don’t always binge drink for an allergic reaction occur to alcohol. The alcohol effect on some kids, who are referred to as primary alcoholics on this blog, is that they die before they turn 30 years of age – if they can’t stop drinking before this. This fact could explain why so many become members of the 27club. They are people who died at 27.

We can’t say membership is a direct result of alcohol but we can say it does need to be noted that all of the victims/members were heavy drinkers of alcohol.

Amy Winehouse is about the only recorded member of The 27 Club who has had her death recorded as alcohol poisoning. It needs to be noted that alcohol is also the common denominator for all the other members of the club. This fact needs to be made aware. That is that alcohol is a contributing factor to the early death of ALL the musicians and celebrities of the 27Club. To have it recognized in this way may help to play a part in the awareness of the dangers of alcohol consumption and be a warning especially to kids who are leaving school and are considering going to the Schoolies Week binge drinking.

Alcoholics Anonymous Meetings

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is the only place known  to have positive results with stopping drinking. Attending AA meetings is still no guarantee of survival though. You then need to learn how to survive AA. Reading all the posts on this blog can help to insure survival.

 

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AA Is Not A Place for Finding God

Posted by admin on July 17, 2014
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If someone wants to be finding god then AA is not the place. Churches are there for that. These places have many experienced spiritually trained people and possibly in other religious organisations as well. Places designed for this purpose. However, AA is not the place. Alkies when getting sober in AA are after all only ex drunks. This type of behaviour In AA of trying to find god only ends up being an enormous problem for members.god_in_aa

What happens is that many normally insignificant people come to AA meetings and they find status that they  normally they would not have.

Not in a million years would they have status in the real world. Suddenly they are transformed into spiritual gurus, like Bill Wilson when he came to the Oxford Group of Western Canada. He saw the first 100 men there. They were no more then 2 years sober.

Sponsors In AA

Non alcoholics become sponsors in AA to unsuspecting members. They spill hogwash that goes with religious organisation and religion has no place in AA.

Sober members of AA have not yet met anyone in the past 25 years who is sober and happy and sane as a result of praying and working steps for sobriety.  Not one has survived by trying to find god in AA.

What we are saying here is that not one alkie has managed to get sober by daily working steps and praying and reading books for sobriety. The people who do this are instead all very strange and they talk in a foreign lingo that is not mainstream and they behave in a way that would not impress a potential employer if they went for a job interview.

Keep It Simple In AA Meetings

Anyone known in AA who is sober, happy and sane and is not living with daily madness are the ones who have kept it simple. When these people attend meetings they talk about their story of what it was like, what happened and what it is like now. This brings them into today and others can relate to them.

Sober alcoholics are no different in their talk, language, dress, mannerisms than the average person in the street. They got that way by keeping it simple and living a day at a time. By putting AA and their sobriety first and by talking to other alkies on a daily basis. In their early days they needed to be getting answers to real problems, and as they happened. They needed this so that they are always living in the here and now.

They are the people who have changed from the thinking of a drunk and who are no longer living with drunks, and not mixing with drunks. Because of this their life is not filled with problems that are caused by the people with problems. This means staying away from anything that causes any type of mental instability and any type of mental problems in their life is to be avoided at all cost.

Staying Away From Unstable People is Key

Alkies know that they cannot live with or mix with unstable people who will cause them problems. If anything gets in the way of their sobriety then it has to go and it has to go permanently. This example is what members were told in the early days before detox centres took over and started filling their heads full of rubbish about praying and working steps for sobriety.

AA works – We were told to keep an open mind – but not so open that your brains fall out.

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