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What Is AA

Posted by admin on July 17, 2015
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AA is for someone who has a drinking problem. By attending AA meetings it’s like a visit to the Doctor to change thinking patterns of the mind. When they need “a check-up from the neck-up” as was once said in the early days in Alcoholics Anonymous (AA)

Sobriety can be achieved by attending AA meetings on a regular basis. Alcoholics (someone allergic to alcohol) comes to get sober and to learn what to do next once they stop drinking. Stopping drinking is only a start to the journey of sobriety. To achieve sobriety it takes time. Members need time to grasp a new way of thinking and living and looking at the world.

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This doesn’t mean making AA a home. there’s very little sobriety in meetings these days. New members hoping to get sobriety information instead are told to pray and work steps. This problem is due to Doctors and Detox Centres and many institutions who are on the band wagon of making money from people wanting sobriety.

Also there’s no one to look after them. Instead what is happening now in AA is that people with no sobriety are opening up meetings and making AA their home. Sometimes they find a job because they’re not drinking now but this is the only thing that changes in their lives. Usually they have simply swapped drinking for working. They sit in meetings reading the big book and working steps and this action keeps the true alcoholic who visits their meeting, in the past. This is a same results as when drinking.

AA Prison Visits

Many will go on a roster to visit inmates in prison possibly under a delusion they can help someone. This is of course nonsense. God only knows what inmates are subjected to during such visits. They could only be reading the Big Book to them and telling them to work steps. This practice is of no value to people in prison or outside of prison.

AA members then have the problem of coping with people who come to meetings from prison and who have not been given correct information. They don’t even have basic information from outside visits on what to do when they do arrive at AA meetings.

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How to Survive the AA Meetings Long Enough to Achieve Sobriety

Posted by admin on August 17, 2014
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We attended an AA meeting yesterday in the Western Suburbs and it was a doozy – as far as a sobriety rating goes it’s at the bottom of the barrel. The chairperson claiming 30 years sobriety and still has no idea how to chair a meeting properly. She called people with no sobriety and, not alcoholics, Instead she left sober people sitting there and she didn’t recognise any difference.aa_meeting

She called a sexual predator to speak and he’s not an alcoholic. He went on to brag from the floor that he was a thief and said he steals because, we are alcoholics. Thieving in sobriety is not sobriety and alcoholics are not thieves or criminals.

Before becoming sober AA members can not consciously distinguish the different between the types of people who regularly frequent AA meetings. Non alcoholics go to AA meetings for all sorts of reasons. They tell short-termers to believe that everyone is the same who attends the meetings but everyone is not the same. Not at all.

Many people frequent AA meetings for all sorts of reasons and unfortunately sobriety is not one of them. Alcoholics go for only one reason, and that’s sobriety. This difference causes a lot of damage to the people who go hoping to find answers to a genuine alcohol problem.

Chairing An AA Meeting

A chairperson can make a mistake by calling a non alcoholic however the damage can be minimized if they realizes the mistake and if they know who they are calling beforehand. This way a chairperson can minimize mistakes on who they are calling to speak.

Things were so different to the old days when new AA members had older sober members (OSM) to keep the nutters in check. They would point out the wrongs a non alcoholic spruik from the floor of AA meetings. The chairperson at yesterdays meeting instead didn’t recognise that someone with sobriety was offering good advice and instead she apologied to a (one) newcomer for interruptions by the OSM

Her disturbing remark of an OSM’s point of view, was that she hopes the disruption doesn’t deter them from coming back. Unfortunately she’s not smart enough to realize that many newcomers/short-termers have not come back due to the many nutters like this one, and that she was defending.

Facts are that 99.99% of people attend AA only once and they do not come back. That’s even though there is generally no interruptions from OSM’s or anyone else who may be offering advice or talking sense.

If someone gets up to talk and it is consistant of them talking about steps and saying that, we need to do this and we need to do that – then it is the duty of an older sober member (OSM) to intervene and to tell the person speaking to either tell their own story – or to sit down and let someone who needs to tell their story That consists of what it was like. what happened, and what it is like now.

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The 27 Club and How Not To Become a Member

Posted by admin on August 15, 2014
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You don’t always have to be a musician or celebrity to become a member of the 27 Club If you are allergic to alcohol and still drinking at 27 years of age then consider yourself lucky that you’re still alive. There are many who are not, including musicians and celebrities. Many go to AA who are under 30 but they don’t stay around. A lot of people are coming from Detox centres (called Rehabs in US) into AA meetings. Not long after that many become members of The 27 Club. They are dead. Black, White, Yellow, alcohol does not discriminate, as is shown here.

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If you’re allergic to alcohol and you’re still drinking by the late 20’s then life is usually really tough. An early death that’s alcohol related is very common. The statistics are hidden behind many other reasons for why they died. Some reason’s are, Traffic accidents, Suicides, Accidental deaths or Murdered. For Amy it was an alcoholic seizure at 24 years of age.

Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Alcohol puts alcoholics (people allergic to alcohol) in many dangerous situations. Many alcohol related deaths need to have the cause recorded as a direct result of alcohol. Some alcoholics are lucky enough to get to AA before they die.

30 years of age is usually the upper limit. They are then even luckier to be able to stay around in AA once they find a meeting. To survive they need to find an AA group where they can begin to learn how to get on track, to achieve sobriety. Sobriety means to be growing further away from the last drink.

If a short-termer (new member) coming to AA can stay around long enough they can then hopefully avoid becoming a statistic. If they’re a celebrity, they become a recognized member of the 27 Club.

Schoolies Week

I good place to start with awareness of a problem is to suggest to children leaving school to definitely NOT  attend Schoolies Week. This is a breeding ground for alcoholism. It’s such a dangerous time and place for kids to be a delicate time in their lives. They are not adults they are young people beginning an adult life. They need to learn how to make responsible decisions for their future. They could be allergic to alcohol and not know it.

What is the attraction with such a dark event as Schoolies Week anyway? In reality it’s just a big $$$ week for alcohol promoters and a week of madness for the kids who are expected to be binge drinking under the illusion of having a good time. For many of these kids life is never the same again and their plans for the future are gone and forgotten.

How many victims are able to stop drinking once Schoolies Week is over? No one really knows how badly kids are affected after this week of binge drinking. We believe no real statistics are taken. Certainly not made public. Marketers of alcohol probably hope none of the kids stop drinking for any length of time. Who cares if a few of them die along the way? Society is conditioned to say it’s their own fault anyway for being so stupid. We are living in an age where the victim is blamed for his own misfortune.

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Victims don’t always binge drink for an allergic reaction occur to alcohol. The alcohol effect on some kids, who are referred to as primary alcoholics on this blog, is that they die before they turn 30 years of age – if they can’t stop drinking before this. This fact could explain why so many become members of the 27club. They are people who died at 27.

We can’t say membership is a direct result of alcohol but we can say it does need to be noted that all of the victims/members were heavy drinkers of alcohol.

Amy Winehouse is about the only recorded member of The 27 Club who has had her death recorded as alcohol poisoning. It needs to be noted that alcohol is also the common denominator for all the other members of the club. This fact needs to be made aware. That is that alcohol is a contributing factor to the early death of ALL the musicians and celebrities of the 27Club. To have it recognized in this way may help to play a part in the awareness of the dangers of alcohol consumption and be a warning especially to kids who are leaving school and are considering going to the Schoolies Week binge drinking.

Alcoholics Anonymous Meetings

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is the only place known  to have positive results with stopping drinking. Attending AA meetings is still no guarantee of survival though. You then need to learn how to survive AA. Reading all the posts on this blog can help to insure survival.

 

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12 Steps of AA – Do They Work ?

Posted by admin on September 12, 2013
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Janine is a heavy drinker and not an alcoholic. She said, but I am not so sure she’s not. In an article she said,  AA killed her marriage

Now why then does she blame AA for killing her marriage? – Is it because:

* Her husband stopped drinking with AA, ..or because
* He went to regular AA meetings, …or is it because…

* He started working the 12 steps of AA
* In the article its stated that, he had a personality change and apparently the change was not for the better – in her opinion. Instead she states, We simply could not live together, because when people do get sober, they change radically.aa_survival_2

Well of course alcoholics change radically if they have an opportunity to get sober. It’s obvious that Bruno attending AA meetings and staying out of the old environment does not suite Janine. She instead wants him to be drinking.

Once Bruno stops drinking he will start to get sober. It takes 5 to 7 years. He will then becomes the person he wanted to be before alcohol took control of his life.

Oh, and it’s important to note that he will still be exciting.  That is to someone who loved him and not just his pay packet and unpredictable lifestyle. The right person is not another drunk in his life. He will die if he stays with her if she is drinking.

Facts are obviously not important to Janine. Instead it’s all about her, and what she wants. Basically she doesn’t want to lose her drinking partner.  Signs that she is an alcoholic as well. Her story about Bruno is that, He started to drink to numb the fear, the pain…

That excuse simply does not cut it. Alcoholics drink because they are alcoholics and don’t need any other reason. And when they are ready they must go to AA if they want to get sober. they do this by telling their own story, not have it told by someone else. When getting sober he simply can not afford to be in a relationship with someone who is drinking. An alcoholic must get out of the old environment for him to survive AA and to get sober.

Janine states Bruno wants to get sober and she’s wrong in her belief as to why alcoholics need to get sober by attending AA. meetings. It is known that health reasons alone will not stop them drinking alcohol. Facts are that when drinking they have no choice but to drink unless they are going to AA. This is one of the differences between drug addicts and alcoholics. Addicts take drugs because they choose to and once an alcoholic starts to drink he continues because he has to. He can not stay stoped for any length of time unless he attends AA meetings. Also if he does not stop drinking fairly quickly he will die. AA is the only thing known that has results with getting people sober.

Janine said she, was the girl with the broken wing, Possibly she needs to considered the possibility that she is an alcoholic as well.

If not then he did need to leave her, for his own good. The older sober members (OSM) of AA call people like her a, lame duck. (she obviously has something wrong with her) Something else wrong besides an alcohol problem. It’s strongly advised that anyone wanting to get sober in AA can not afford to have lame ducks around them.

Her article is about his problem however we can assume SHE continued to drink after Bruno stopped drinking and started attending AA meetings. Well then, of course she wouldn’t fit in with his new sober friends. She does she say she even slows down her drinking during this time.

Still drinking while Bruno is trying to stay sober. No wonder the marriage broke down. Also note in her article she still associated with the drunks of the past and she actually criticizes Bruno for not wanting to do the same.

Janine’s complaint is not the fault of AA. Her readers who didn’t know better would be inclined to believe her when she said that, AA killed her marriage, Instead of knowing that it is her, continuing to drink that killed the marriage.

Janine said, He was drinking every single night, not sleeping and sinking into a hopeless depression, the result of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder… before he attended AA meetings.

She doesn’t recognise that he is sober due to AA. The issues he has other then alcoholism is not the concern of AA members. They are not equipped to deal with health problems that are not AA related, such as, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, due to the war.

Janine did admit Bruno is successful at not drinking due to him attending AA meetings. She then said he also began working the 12 steps of AA.

Interesting to note she doesn’t say anything against him working steps. We are to assume she thinks that’s okay. On the other hand if she said this is when the problem started, this would be understandable, but she doesn’t say his working the 12 steps was any sort of a problem.

Instead she said, I went to an AA Christmas party, and while everyone was friendly and welcoming, it was clear they set a wall between ‘us and them. What would Janine be doing at an AA function if she was not an alcoholic? And what kind of wall? Is her problem that AA people were not drinking alcohol? I

If she’s not complaining about him working steps, then what is the complaint?

Let it be known that sober alcoholics are normal people. They do not have a wall between themselves and normal people in society. They do on the other hand learn that they must avoid nutters who drink. She obviously fits this category.

She is complaining her husband chooses not to associate with her friends who are drunks. Then she says this killed her marriage along with him attending Alcoholics Anonymous.

She states she is not an alcoholic but yet she would rather her marriage fall apart then to give up alcohol herself. Obviously she would rather be in a smelly saloon bar. The pubs and bars are the smelly and rough places, not the church halls she says are smelly and where AA meetings are held.

She really is delusional and in denial of her own drinking problems.

 

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An Alcoholic Can Not Drink In Moderation

Posted by admin on March 13, 2012
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Any person who is allergic to alcohol can never drink in moderation!

Alcoholics are allergic to alcohol – once an alcoholic – always an alcoholic.
Alcohol alone has an effect on the alcoholic. There is no other reason, such as character defects that is spruiked often by the spiritualists and the step workers in AA meetings. For the primary alcoholic this reaction is due to the fact that they have an allergic reaction to alcohol, which is unlike anything ever experienced by normal drinkers.
The alcoholic is a type of person, a type of character.  They are people who would normally do well academically and they usually excel in the sport of their choice. They are not dumb by any means although the alcohol makes them seem that way.
I have met at least 3 people – that I remember clearly, who had been sober a long time in AA.  They started socialising with people they worked with who were, social drinkers, or they became involved with a social drinker, and for whatever reason simply stopped going to AA meetings.
Because of them associating with people who are drinking they start to think that they could now have a drink and could control their drinking, and drink like the people they are associating with. They reason that the problems they had while drinking and early on when getting sober were now all gone. The immaturity,  the lack of education, the lack of living skills, the inexperience they had with men/women, etc, etc, etc.
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The pattern was the same for them all. A thought occurred that, maybe now I can drink normally, as I no longer have these problems.
The only problem is that these 3 people where real/primary alkies and guess what – the alcohol had exactly the same effect on them as before, only worse. They had the blackouts, their personality changed – they were now acting out of character, they had paranoia and mental instability after drinking. They all found it very difficult to get back off the booze again once they had started. This is because their thinking had changed due to the effects of the alcohol. Effects they had from alcohol both during and lasting effects after drinking it. Their mind also told them many reasons why they could not go back to AA.
I remember the last guy I met.  He had been sober 19 years in AA.  He now had a really top job, as he put it, working with very intelligent people whom he was no less intelligent, and the same thought occurred to him.  Maybe now I can drink in moderation.  He rationalised that he had faced and tackled all of the problems that made him drink and the problems that he had  experienced while drinking. He thought there was no reason why he couldn’t drink today. After all, he was successful, respected, intelligent and now was emotionally mature.
After drinking again he told me that the alcohol had, “Exactly the same effect as it had on him 19 years before. He had the blackout, the personality change, and acting out of character. He was back looking for more alcohol the next day and he needed it to be able to function. Before he knew it he was drinking in the same way as before only worse. He realised he was drinking more alcohol than he had before going to AA the first time.
This is another example that alcoholics are allergic to alcohol.  They cannot turn back the clock where alcohol is concerned.  They are as the older sober members (OSM) of AA say.  That they are bodily and mentally different to the normal drinker, where alcohol is concerned. Alcohol does not effect people in the same way as it does someone who is allergic to alcohol.

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