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Why The 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous Doesn’t Work

Posted by admin on March 05, 2017
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12 Steps may work for many other 12 Step Programs. Work for people with all sorts of other problems but not for alcoholics (someone allergic to alcohol) that attend A A meetings on a regular basis.

The first step is the only one to be interested in. If you do this one daily all will be OK. To make your life 12 steps aamanageable daily . Then the other 11 steps fall into place automatically. Then there’s no need to worry YOU ARE DOING THE 12 STEPS. Don’t stress all is well.


After all it is ONLY about not drinking alcohol. That’s all. You also need to be happy about it. Never fear, without alcohol life is good. Life was not meant for artificial highs like alcohol. Without this illegal drug your life will be great. You will learn the experience of life. Learn how it was meant to be. You will live a life of natural highs and be happy. The same way people do who are not allergic to alcohol. You will not hear or read this information from mainstream media. Why? because of the advertisers. There’s to much money in it for them. Money from alcohol sales and from people wanting to get sober.

Here we explain each step so you will know why ‘working 12 steps’ after attending AA meetings needs to be avoided. You will learn why to void individually doing steps and why there are no results from doing them.

Step 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol – and that our lives had become unmanageable.

This is the only step out of the 12 that mentions alcohol. It’s the only one you need to be interested in. This step comes in two parts. The first part ‘We admitted we were powerless over alcohol‘ This is easy if already attending AA meetings. You have done the first part of the 1st Step. This happened when you walked through the doors of AA. Reason that is if alcohol was doing for us what we thought it was doing then AA is the last place to be going.

The second part of the first step is: ‘that our lives had become unmanageable’ If your life is unmanageable and alcohol has something to do with it then AA is the right place to be. To start making the life manageable, ON A DAILY BASIS. This means to not drink for that day. Go to a meeting and stay out of the old environment. That is not to associate with drinkers, or drug takers of the past. Make sure you eat properly and if you haven’t got a job get one. If you have got a job keep going. Don’t give it up. Stay till they sack you if that’s the way it is. It is the best option.

Life will change once you are on a track of getting sober. We are nice happy little people. It’s only alcohol that made us into people that we didn’t like. Let alone what anyone else thought. A person allergic to alcohol the victim of alcohol and not the perpetrator. You will not hear this said at AA meetings. They will talk about their defects of character. Say things like ‘we were liars’ or ‘we were selfish’ etc. many negative things. These people have no idea of the true nature of alcoholism.

12 Steps For A Primary Alcoholic is No Good When the Only Problem Is Alcohol.

Many of the people who frequent AA meetings will never get this. Because for whatever reason they don’t recognize it for what it is. More like they don’t want to recognize this simple fact. Why? One reason why is self interest. To have control over you. They can’t do this if you don’t believe you are sick.

Many who attend AA meetings are not alcoholics or secondary alcoholics at best. They in fact have something else wrong with them. They are not allergic to alcohol. Alcohol will never kill them. For them sobriety is not a matter of life and death. First impression when attending an AA meeting is that everyone is there for sobriety. Not true. Then why the hell would you attend AA meetings with sick people. Well, the reality is that many people attend for many and varied reasons. Some reasons are obvious and has briefly been explained here.

The people who don’t have sobriety to offer you are there to control you. They can only do this be having you pray and work steps for sobriety. They also control you by being your sponsor. They find out all about you this way and will have you working steps. Sobriety is not about that. Not at all. It’s not normal and it’s not a practical way of living. Especially not when all you need is to stop drinking alcohol and to get on with your life.


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He Really Did Survive An AA Cult

Posted by admin on October 11, 2013
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Here’s an article from someone who says he survived an AA cult. He said AA made his mental state much worse and I would agree with that. Such things do happen if you listen to those who tell you to pray and work steps for sobriety. Even so it appears that in the article the author has missed one very important point.

Point is that bad advice cult_meetingcan be given anywhere. Inside or outside of AA and it’s up to you as to whether you listen to bad advice or not.

We always need to check out who is giving the advice and check out if they have actually walked the talk themselves. Most likely they have not.

We all need to realise that there are people in AA who are not alcoholics but who are masquerading as alcoholics. And because of this they will affect you mentally if you listen to them and try to comprehend on matters of sobriety. They will definitely send you mad if you let them.

An example here how they give AA a bad name but it’s important to stay around in AA because it’s the only thing known where alcoholics have a chance at getting sober.

Some people who masquerade in AA instead have sex problems and are sexual predators. Others have come from different 12 step programs for all sorts of problems as well as the ones looking for easy prey for sex.

Predators in AA will tell short-termers (people new to AA) that they need to work steps. By doing this they have control over alcoholics and because they are not alcoholics themselves they do not have any proper information for them on how to stay sane and sober and on how to get sober.

Non alcoholics working steps has not cured their own problems or they wouldn’t be in AA looking for sick woman and/or men as easy pickings. The knowledge non alcoholics gather from other 12 step programs enables them to move into AA meetings incognito and where they then spruik on about working steps and praying for sobriety. What else would they talk about from the floor, they don’t have a drinking story?

Alcoholics are dumb in early sobriety and they are more than likely to think that all people in AA are genuine, are alcoholics, and that they know something about sobriety. Not true, many don’t know a thing about sobriety. Instead it’s important to recognise that AA is just a collection of what is outside. Think of AA as a mini world of all the types of people outside AA.

Most people in society are looking for opportunities of some sort. AA is no different. If you don’t believe this then I would suggest that possibly you are delusional. Alcohol is a delusive drug and so it’s more then likely you’re affected.

The lesson is to learn to recognise the nutters. Recognise them as different from the alcoholics who mostly are only trying to stay sober and alive. A short-termer must learn how to sort the oats from the chaff, and in this way it becomes much easier to do outside of AA.

Alcoholics must learn to dodge the mugs in AA so that hopefully you are in a better position to control of your life outside AA. Done by controlling who comes into your orbit that may affect your stability. This process of recognising mugs is a must when attending AA meetings. Once you’re on a track of getting sober looking after yourself becomes easier.

If you can’t find an AA group with older sober members (OSM) in it who are keeping people sober then stay away from them all who frequent AA. If they can’t offer you sobriety then they have nothing for you. AA is not a social club, it’s about chasing sobriety. It’s not about making friends, or shaking hands with everyone. Why do they do that?

Stick to yourself in AA meetings and always be seeking out the principles of getting sober, i.e. how to grow further away from the last drink of alcohol. What anyone says to you that you have to do has to make sense to you. It is not stinkin’ thinkin’ to question what is said to you, as is suggested in the article. Instead alcoholics need common sense answers to common problems associated with alcohol. Don’t accept cliches as an answer. OSM will not fob you off with cliches.

Also once in AA the OSM will tell you not to go near doctors for at least the first 2 years in sobriety. This is because alcoholics are very easily wrongly diagnosed by doctors – and because of this they are often put on psyche medication by mistake – and when all that is needed is for them to be giving themselves time to become sober. An alcoholic can not get sober if he is wrongly diagnosed and put on medication.

The time taken to get properly sober is 5 to 7 years, and this is if they do everything right during that time. This time span is proven many years ago by the OSM of AA to be correct. It was also proven by Dr Sylvester Minogue who helped alcoholics for decades to get sober in AA. He helped them right up until just before he died in the 1970’s. He knew what he was doing. He was a psychiatrist, and a specialist who had his practice in Macquarie Street, Sydney. He was also an alcoholic and a mighty great man with a heart of gold.

Now-a-days because no one is getting sober it takes longer than 7 years to get sober and that is even if you are lucky enough to find someone sober enough to help you in the first place. The 7 year time span could on first impression easily be considered a sentence. That is if not thought through properly why it is so. It is not a sentence. If questioned the OSM will explain it’s time needed to give yourself to become, the person you would have become if not for alcohol.

The time period is taken for changing and the changing is for the better. The improving continues forever for sober alcoholics, but at a slower rate after they are sober.

The story in the link is unfortunate but is also typical of the wrong information that’s getting around AA. Predators do not only frequent AA meetings, they are everywhere out there in society as well. This is fact.

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