Topic Meetings Are Killing Alcohol Control Groups

Posted by admin on January 29, 2016
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An experience with topic meetings recently told by an AA member, 24 years sober.

I came to A.A. with many problems. luckily I attended ID meetings, not topic meetings. Sometime before attending AA meetings I deluded myself into thinking that I drank to cope with many problems. Alcohol carried me through in a strange way, even though it was also killing me. When drinking, life is one big problem. One drama after another. Problems are as consistent as the next drink.

I found Alcoholics Anonymous in the nick-of-time and found a good group. The OSM’s were keeping people sober. In this group I learned how to get rid of problems. “And” OSM Keith said, topic meetings of alcoholics anonmous“Don’t get any more problems in AA”. For goodness sake. What does that mean, I asked.

Well, to start with stay away from people talking about resentments. That’s an example of one way to have more problems after coming to AA. Recently I witnessed another example at a Topic meeting.

This Topic Meeting agenda is common to recent times. The particular meeting highlighted even bigger problems. The problems of predatory behaviour. Mainly by men targeting younger women but crazy women can be just as bad or worse.

Meetings Not listed as Topic Meetings

This day I had driven a long distance to attend the meeting. It was not listed as a Topic meeting. If it were I usually avoid topic meetings. The meeting opened, the designated chairman without warning changed the intended ID meeting into a Topic meeting. He did this by quickly asking his friend opposite to choose a topic. (I note here that there is a young, very unstable women at the meeting.)

The friend quickly and without hesitation replied, ‘Selfishness’ and the chairman then changed the meeting to a topic of selfishness. He asked his nominator to speak first on ‘selfishness’. Everyone else then expected to talk on the same topic. He changed the agenda without consultation on a desired topic. That’s how it’s done usually at topic meetings. That way members have some time to digest a concept and topic. Not this time and that’s so bad for people in attendance.

Members talked so negativity about themselves on this topic. Calling themselves selfish. Doing this will send them nuts, causing the head to spin. If an alcoholics head is spinning he will drink. If not immediately after the meeting, not long after. To settle the thinking down.

New members (short-termers) have very little protection against predatory behaviour at AA meetings. Why? Because there’s very few genuine older sober members (OSM’s) around these days. No-one left to police the meetings. I was told 24 years ago by the OSM’s that this situation will happen.

The first speaker at this meeting said that he was selfish. Selfish when drinking and still selfish. Claiming many years of sobriety and he apparently is still no better off. He went on for too long. His story all negative.

Topic Meeting had No Identification

For members to followed suit on such a topic is madness. The instigator listened closely to the women. The meeting had no I.D. for alcoholism. We had no way of knowing who’s is who: Primary, Secondary Alcoholics, Drug Addicts, a Headcase or who the Sexo’s are. No I.D. means no way to sort the oats from the chaff.

Everyone was  sitting around a table. One women pushed a Get Well card towards me, with pen, to sign. It obviously being for someone unfortunate who attends this topic meeting. At this meeting everyone identified by being sober “today” only. In that way when someone gets drunk no-one knows about it. A predator’s tracks are covered. With the amount of negativity generated at this meeting I could see that if I were in this state of min then I would drink. An alcoholic in early sobriety there would be no other choice.

That’s the difference between a primary alcoholic and a drunk. Primary’s drink because they have to not because they want to. I.D. meetings will stop this happening. Topic meetings will not. This meeting would cause anyone to drink .

Serenity Prayer

A short-termer asked to speak, his head was spinning. He tried. He babbled something about feeling pain then declined to speak. This member held himself up on a wall outside after the meeting. No group members spoke to him or offered assistance. He didn’t appear to know where he was. The two men who chose the topic followed the unstable women. She would not be selfish and deny them sex.

On closing the meeting holding hands to say the Serenity Prayer and if you haven’t already had a big dose of negativity then this negative energy received by physical contact will finish you off. Sober people stood back, did not joining in and instead watched them play a form of, ring-a-ring-a-rosy … and they all fall down… dead.

At topic meetings you often hear people from the floor say that they are not responsible for anyone to get sober. What a load of hogwash. Yes they are.




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What Is AA

Posted by admin on July 17, 2015
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AA is for someone who has a drinking problem. By attending AA meetings it’s like a visit to the Doctor to change thinking patterns of the mind. When they need “a check-up from the neck-up” as was once said in the early days in Alcoholics Anonymous (AA)

Sobriety can be achieved by attending AA meetings on a regular basis. Alcoholics (someone allergic to alcohol) comes to get sober and to learn what to do next once they stop drinking. Stopping drinking is only a start to the journey of sobriety. To achieve sobriety it takes time. Members need time to grasp a new way of thinking and living and looking at the world.


This doesn’t mean making AA a home. there’s very little sobriety in meetings these days. New members hoping to get sobriety information instead are told to pray and work steps. This problem is due to Doctors and Detox Centres and many institutions who are on the band wagon of making money from people wanting sobriety.

Also there’s no one to look after them. Instead what is happening now in AA is that people with no sobriety are opening up meetings and making AA their home. Sometimes they find a job because they’re not drinking now but this is the only thing that changes in their lives. Usually they have simply swapped drinking for working. They sit in meetings reading the big book and working steps and this action keeps the true alcoholic who visits their meeting, in the past. This is a same results as when drinking.

AA Prison Visits

Many will go on a roster to visit inmates in prison possibly under a delusion they can help someone. This is of course nonsense. God only knows what inmates are subjected to during such visits. They could only be reading the Big Book to them and telling them to work steps. This practice is of no value to people in prison or outside of prison.

AA members then have the problem of coping with people who come to meetings from prison and who have not been given correct information. They don’t even have basic information from outside visits on what to do when they do arrive at AA meetings.

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AA and How It Doesn’t Work

Posted by admin on July 12, 2014
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Alcoholics are trying to get sober in AA by working steps and it doesn’t work. The success rate is nil but they keep telling a new lot that come in the same thing that sent the last lot to their grave. They come to AA and listen to the spiritualists by praying and working steps for sobriety. Instead of this helping them it puts the alcoholics head in the past. That’s where it is when they are drinking and so it’s not long before they are drinking again and not going to AA.

This happens to them because they start working steps and praying for sobriety:drunk_women

They become stuck in the past and this knocks their confidence in what they are doing in their day to day life in the here and now. Alkies will identify with that awful perturbing situation of being happy and positive one minute and negative and hating life the next. This is because they have shunted from a positive, head in today state, to a negative past thinking pattern – that only another sober alkie can get them out of. Sober alcoholics in AA are the only ones who will understand what has happened to them and they also recognise when this is happening to them, at the time.

It is a bit like when kids thinks that if they keep crying they will get something that they want. This works when you are a helpless baby but as you grow you learn different strategies of behaving and thinking that work better for getting what we want. We develop better strategies for different situations we are in, as we grow up.

In a similar scenario, an alkie is stuck with the thinking and strategies he learned while drinking. That is because he had surrounded himself with others like himself, and when he gets off the alcohol that same way of thinking is all he knows. Until he gets sober.

Until then he only has the old thinking to rely on and it is completely inappropriate for sober living. He is like Rip Van Winkle waking up from a long sleep in which he is in a world that has changed and he is completely out of step.

The alkie early on in sobriety only has the drinking strategies as a way of thinking and it takes time for him to get sober. This is done by living in the day, and doing it a day at a time. He needs time to learn to deal with life in a sober manner and to deal with it at the time life is happening.

He needs to be with sober people to get the help he needs to show him how to lay down the new thinking patterns and how the new strategies work so that they are then able to use the new strategies when future situations arises. They then replace the old way of thinking with a new sober way of thinking and behaving.

This learning can not be achieved by working steps and praying for sobriety. This will only send them nuts and back to drinking. This always happens after they have been flogging themselves to death with working steps and praying like a praying mantis. They then go back to drink again. Also very few get a second chance at coming back to AA and they die.

While getting sober in AA and while they are still not sober they will only have the old strategies of the past as a way of thinking. They need time to learn that all they have to do is ask sober people. Let them do their thinking for them in the beginning.

Problem is however that now very few sober people are around in AA these days! Working steps for sobriety has caused a huge gap in sobriety in AA because people are not staying sober. The vacuum has been filled with people coming to AA who are not alcoholics and do not understand what it takes to get one sober.

Alcoholics do not have a base as in having grown up and matured when they first arrive in AA. They only have the mad ideas, in most cases of a teenager who has been pickled and learned everything they know from black and white movies and from the other drunks in the pub.

So, they do not have the maturity to understand their past. They have no ability to pick a goodie from a baddie. Its a bit like if someone smiles at them they presume they are nice people and if they grimace they are bad.

They need time to get sober. This means to get sane and to mature. To grow up and this can only happen by walking away from what kept them drunk both physically and mentally and they need to learn to live in the day, by dealing with life on a daily basis.

They need the help of someone who has got out of the hole themselves. Someone who can show them how to do the same. Thereby laying down new foundation of information in their memories. New foundations that will work for them rather than them using the old information that kept them drunk and it did not work for them anyway.

Religion and God are a personal thing. It has a different perception for everybody and everyone has their own personal understanding and belief in what God is.  It stands to reason therefor that if everybody is talking about a different perception then this type of thinking has no place in AA for alcoholics wanting to get sober – how can it?

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Finding God in Alcoholics Anonymous

Posted by admin on July 01, 2014
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God gets in the way of alcoholics getting sober in AA – That is because they are supposed to be getting sober and that means nothing else. They are not meant to be finding God. There are trained professional people in society to help anyone who wants to find God or who is having problems in this area. Why would anyone want to be advised by the two-bit amateur spiritualists in AA for their religious guidance?

For alcoholics putting anything in front of their sobriety – even God, means that alkies are not focusing on what actually gets them sober. That  is living in the day, staying away from the past and unstable people – if they are getting God they will be getting Good and saintly god-12-steps-aa=too which is open to all sorts of misinterpretation – i.e – don’t judge – give everybody our time – even our old pals from the pub and our sometimes quite mad family members.

An alkie has to listen and to judge – what makes sense and what does not – their life depends on it!

Getting God also means they have something to compete about – who is the most saintly and spiritual and proving this to everybody else.

If you are keeping it simple when getting sober there is no other competition to be concentrating on, only  – What it was like, What happened, and What it is like now – It is that simple!

If an alkie is competing the proof is there every time they open their mouth at meetings and say what they are doing and how they are trying to find God or that they have found god by working steps and praying.

The only thing that is important to them is to be getting to regular meetings, putting sobriety first before anything else.  If alcoholics are not getting sober they are dead. They need to be living in the day and putting AA first.

If they do this they end up having less and less problems, they start thinking positively, they start being clear in their thinking and in their talking, and they are enjoying life the way that they should be. It all comes out how they are going in their talking from the floor, at an AA meeting.

If they are not living like this they will experience all sorts of problems and that is what happens to people who put God and working the steps in their life before getting sober – when they do that they are not putting their sobriety first. They need to put their sobriety first by doing the above to change the thinking.

If alcoholics are getting God they will be getting less and less clear, more and more involved with unstable people and nearer and nearer to madness or to the next drink.

The 12 steps force alkies into all of this bad stuff- they are not written for the here and now. The spiritualists will say, not to judge people. Therefor what they are saying is, do not ask questions, if anything that they are supposed to be doing is actually makes any sense. Alcoholics in AA are encouraged by the step workers and spiritualists to make friends with everybody, except other alkies who are not, “on the program”. They are to be kept away from at all times.

That is like living in castles in the sky and hope that God will look after them.  Everybody who mentions steps and God sound ok to the confused alkie – who is so unclear in his own thinking as a result from going mad by working steps and praying for sobriety, and from not living in the day. By doing this he has no hope of getting sober or sane.
Life is meant to be enjoyed not endured. Something that is missed by praying and working steps for sobriety

Getting sober is all about beginning to enjoy the experience life without artificial stimulants such as alcohol. It’s about being happy and about being who you were meant to be if alcohol hadn’t gotten in the way.  AA is for getting alcoholics sober to enjoy their lives.

They have to get sober first so that they can decide on what they want to do with their lives and if that is to become a spiritual person then well and good, but they have no hope of becoming anything unless they, get sober first.

Alcoholics can not get sober unless they put “sobriety” first.  Putting “Spirituality” first means they will only end up madder and they will get drunk again or they will neck themselves. This is a common occurrence in AA by alkies who have been put on the wrong track by the step workers and the spiritualists.

They need to also stay away form recovery centres, counsellors and social workers. They have no idea what a primary alcoholic needs to be getting sober.

God does not like alcoholics. The OSM’s of AA say that if they ever met up with god in their travels they will be wanting to know what he has against alcoholics wanting to get sober in AA.

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Why It’s Hard to Get Sober

Posted by admin on December 28, 2012
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There are reasons why very few people are getting sober with AA these days. Mainly these reasons are because members are straying away from the original teachings of the Oxford Group of AA and like many other groups it has been infiltrated by people with their own agenda. Simply put they are not there for sobriety.Stevie_Ray_Vaughan

Another reason why few are getting sober is that counselors and detox centres are making money from alcoholics who want to get sober.

AA is free so is not popular with those wanting to make money from alkies wanting to get sober. Problem is the money makers do not teach the concept of being sober to alkies. They need to know that for them, when they are not drunk, they are not sober either.

Alkies are still mentally unstable for a long time after they stop drinking. During the time of getting sober they are liable to believe the nutters in AA who tell them they have to pray and work steps to achieve sobriety.

They then wrongly believe that it’s not important to tell your story. They are told to believe that what someone says from the floor is not relevant unless it’s found in the Big Book. Problem with this is the new comer with a horrific drinking story can be looked upon as being in the wrong place. ‘The step workers in AA will tell them to rely on, How Bill Sees It, literature as guidance. To what who knows?  The step-workers give the wrong information to the alkie wanting to get sober rather than encouraging them to tell their own story. Guidelines to that is to tell, what it was like, what happened, and what it is like now. That’s all that matters.

The rest is hogwash. The step workers will convince new comers to believe stories told in Detox centres as opposed to identify with sober members in AA and with a sober alcoholic’s story.

It’s unfortunate for alkies wanting to get sober because they don’t have a chance if they follow the step-workers unsuccessful path. But who cares? A new lot will come along to take their place. They will probably have a laugh at the sober member’s stories – like the last lot did. Problem is though they too, like the last lot, will never stay around long enough to prove their point. That is that what sober people in AA are doing is wrong and what they are doing is right.

They laugh and snicker at primary alkies stories in AA, and especially if they say they are not praying and working steps for sobriety. They laugh all the way to the graveyard like the last lot. They continue to make the same mistakes with a new lot of people that led the last lot to the bone-yard.

Step-workers are madly intense about what they believe and you have to ask, well what is backing up their story. Investigation shows they have nothing but blind faith, in something that has proven time and again that it doesn’t work.

Usually someone who is sure about a cause can show reason for thinking that way. Step-workers can not show a reason for telling people to pray and work steps for sobriety.

The sober alkie’s in AA have seen with their own eyes what spiritualism and working steps does to alkies who are wanting to get sober. It sends them nuts. The result is that new comer will go mad – they then leave AA and they die. It happens virtually in front of your eyes. Sober members can talk with authority on this because they see it so often.

They know that keeping it simple and doing the basics is what works. They know that learning from first hand experience is the way to get sober. New comers need to watch others in AA who are sober – and who are living a problem free normal life. There are sober people in AA living a life without alcohol and they are happy about it. They achieve this by keeping it simple. They run away from all the other nonsense in AA – that is only designed to keep counselors in a job.


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