Topic Meetings Are Killing Alcoholics Anonymous

Posted by admin on January 29, 2016
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An experience recently told by a member, 24 years sober.

I came to A.A. with many problems and sometimes possibly I even deluded myself into thinking that I drank to cope with the many problems. Alcohol carried me through in a strange sort of way,even though it was also killing me . When drinking life is one big problem. One drama after another. Problems are as consistent as the next drink. I found Alcoholics Anonymous in the nick-of-time and then found a good group. One where the OSM’s were keeping people like me sober. In this group I learned how to get rid of the problems. “And” the OSM Keith said,“Don’t get any more problems in AA”. For goodness sake. What does he mean, I asked.

Well, he said, to start with stay away from the people talking about resentments. This is an example of one getting more problems after coming to AA. Recently I witnessed another example at a Topic meeting.

Unfortunately the Topic Meeting agenda is common in recent times. At this particular meeting it highlighted an even bigger problem. The problem of predatory behaviour. Mainly this is done by men who target younger women but some crazy women can be just as bad or worse.

This day I had driven a long distance to attend the meeting. It was not listed as a Topic meeting. If it were I usually avoid topic meetings. The meeting opened and the designated chairman suddenly and without warning changed the intended ID meeting to become a Topic meeting. He did this by quickly asking his friend opposite to choose a topic. (I will note here that there was a young and very unstable women at this meeting.)

The friend quickly and also without hesitation replied, ‘Selfishness’ and the chairman then changed the meeting to a topic meeting on selfishness. He asked his nominator to speak first on ‘selfishness’. Everyone elae is then expected to talk on this topic. Changing the agenda was done without consultation of other members there on a desired topic. This is how it’s done usually at topic meetings. That way members have a little time to digest the concept and a topic. Not this time – that’s so bad.

Also bad for members to be talking such negativity about themselves. Calling themselves selfish will send them nuts and cause the head to spin. If an alcoholic has a spinning head he will drink. If not immediately after the meeting then eventually they will. There’s no other choice to settle the thinking down.

New members to A.A. (short-termers) have little protection from predatory behaviour at AA meetings these days. Why? Because there’s very few genuine older sober members (OSM’s) around these days. There’s no-one left to police predatory behaviour in the meetings. OSM’s have all died off and there’s no-one staying sober to take their place. I was told 24 years ago by the OSM’s that this situation will happen.

Back to the first speaker at this meeting. He said that he was selfish. Selfish when drinking and that he is still selfish and trying to overcome it. Claiming many years of sobriety and apparently still no better off. He went on talking this way for too long. His story was all negative.

For members to try to then followed suit on such a topic is madness. The instigators listened closely to what women said about themselves. The meeting had no I.D. for alcoholism. We had no way of knowing who’s in attendance: Primary or Secondary Alcoholics, Drug Addicts, Headcases or Sex’os. No I.D. no way to sort the oats from the chaff.

The meeting opened with everyone sitting around the table. A women pushed a Get Well card towards me, with pen, to sign it for someone. A get well wish for some unfortunate who attends this meeting and is not yet dead. At this meeting everyone identified with being sober only “today”. I suspect in that way when someone gets drunk no-one knows about it. The predator’s tracks are covered. With so much negativity generated at this meeting I recognised that if I were in such a state of mind as these people then I would have to drink. For alcoholics in early sobriety there’s no other choice.

That’s the difference between a primary alcoholic and a drunk. Primary’s drink because we have to and not because we want to. I.D. meetings can stop this drinking process, but not Topic meetings. Not like this one. This meeting would cause them to drink .

another short-termer asked to speak and he couldn’t. His head was spinning so much. He tried by babbling something about feeling pain and then declined to speak further. He demonstrated a very mixed up head. He held himself up on a wall outside after the meeting and none of his group members spoke to him. He didn’t appear to know where he was. No-one at this meeting paid him any attention. He was not helped. The unstabel women had left and the two men were gone as well.

On closing this meeting they hang on hands when saying the Serenity Prayer. As I see it – if you have not already had a big dose of their negativity then the negative energy by physical contact will finish you off. I stood back, not joining in, to see them hanging on hands to play a form of, ring-a-ring-a-rosey … and they all fall down… dead.

At A.A. meetings you will often hear people claiming sobriety will get up and say, from the floor, that they are not responsible for the people who don’t make it in AA. What a load of hogwash. Yes they are.




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Alcoholics Anonymous and The 12 Steps

Posted by admin on December 15, 2015
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Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women. It’s not a ‘program‘ as is stated by some of the people who attend AA meetings. They will say they are doing the 12 steps and then they refer to AA as a program. AA states it’s foundations in The Preamble and in this it is stated that AA is a fellowship of men and women, couple-aa-relationship_not_a_good_ideanot a program of men and women. It couldn’t get much clearer then that. The first step is the only one that mentions alcohol and so is the only one that needs to be doing on a daily basis. The OSM’s, older sober members, said that if you are doing that one then you are doing The Twelve Steps.

The first step says: We admitted we were powerless over alcohol and that our lives have become unmanageable.

This step is in two parts, admitting we are powerless, we do that when we walk through the doors. If alcohol was doing for us what we thought it was doing then AA would be the last place to end up. For alcoholics, alcohol is a dangerous delusive drug, it makes them see things how they want to see it and not how it really is. People who are allergic to alcohol (primary alcoholics) are people who are chasing an effect that they never get. If they did they would know when to stop and be happy with the desired effect and so to not to continue drinking which is what happens. They chase an effect into blackout by keeping on drinking and whatever that effect may be. They still don’t know, even when arriving at an AA meeting and they are lucky to find out after that as well. That’s simply due to the fact that there’s very little sobriety in AA these days. Sad but true.

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Can You Be An Ex-Alcoholic?

Posted by admin on December 09, 2015
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No, once an alcoholic always an alcoholic. One is instead, a sober alcoholic, or a practising alcoholic, but one can not be an ex-alcoholic. Keith, an OSM, said that when he heard new-comers talking from the floor about such a thing, or about their, recovery, he wondered what the hell they were talking about. In the way that, recovering from what? Could it be that they were recovering from themselves? His question does make a lot of sense. He said he didn’t want to forget that the problem is alcohol and handshakenothing else that brought him to AA. It’s so important to remember this. To remember that it’s a drinking problem and nothing else. Other then that he said that if there is something we don’t like about oneself, then change it, it’s as simple as that.

He explained that the people who often frequent AA meetings have, in reality, no concept of sobriety at all. Instead they are praying and working steps for a sober life. This is so mad. Alkies simply can not last long without a drink in such a stressful situation, so what happens? Well they leave AA and they die and then a new lot of hopeful people come to replace them, usually from the Rehabs and Detox Centres who are all again trying to do the same things to stay sober that sent the last lot to the bone yard. The situation now is that we virtually only have nutters prowling AA for what they can get. They are usually the misfits in society, the ones who have had a drink some time in their lives and/or it possibly also caused a problem in a way it worsened their existing character defects and are causing problems in society. They are not who AA was set up for. They are not alcoholics. Not as we know it to be. Instead there is something else wrong with these people. They do not identify with us and we do not identify with them. They say from the floor that they drank for a reason. They then usually give the reason they drink. Alcoholics anonymous can not help these people.

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What Is Sobriety?

Posted by admin on October 15, 2015
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AA has changed, and not for the better. AA has been hijacked and in more ways then one. Alcoholics Anonymous used to be unique. It was a fellowship where people could go to stop drinking alcohol and be happy about it. It was a place where they had people to help them and to look out for them. Alcoholics once had a chance at getting sober. VLUU L100, M100  / Samsung L100, M100

Not anymore though. In the past few years AA has been raped, pillaged, pulled apart, and commercialized. What’s worse is that no one has noticed. Here’s my comments and questions on last nights meeting:

  • The secretary changed the theme of the meeting from ID to Speakers Meeting and presented a guest speaker who has no sobriety.
  • And he has no sobriety  himself.
  • We heard a woman tell her story with 30 men in attendance and only one other women from a Detox Centre.
  • The speaker was not asked any questions after her talk.
  • Does she have anything to offer, if so what is it?
  • Some ID meetings like this one are becoming replaced with ‘topics’ meetings and are unrelated to problems associated with alcoholism. How then can anyone get sober?
  • The secretary has no sobriety and this meeting has no older sober members (OSM) to guide members on what is right and what is the wrong thing to be doing.
  • Members were not asked to speak but spoke at random.
  • All members in attendance who spoke after the guest speaker also had no sobriety.
  • Sobriety was not offered at this meeting and therefor it had no purpose.
  • This meeting should be closed.

AA is no longer focused on sobriety and this was quite obvious at the meeting last night. To make it worse this meeting is not listed as anything other then an AA ID meeting. AA is all about identification (ID) and nothing else. That is of people getting up and telling their story of What it was like, What happened and What it is like now.

What was wrong at last nights meeting:

So now we have a situation of unsuspecting visitors turning up to a meeting and are confronted with a situation they did not expect to be happening. That is not Alcoholics Anonymous, far from it. This situation is a direct opposite to what AA used to be like. Alcoholics who attended knew what to expect which was one reason why it worked so well. They had stability instead of the instability they had in life when they were drinking. The alcoholics would go to AA meeting expecting to find sobriety and why else would you go? Instead now we have a situation where people go to AA meetings for all sorts of reasons other then sobriety. The main reason being for sex. yes we have sexual predators, looking for sick women, and men.

Guest speaker had no sobriety so what value would be in asking her to be a guest speaker at an AA meeting? Answer: None.
1. The meeting changed to a speakers meeting without it being listed as such in the online AA meetings list. a guest speaker who had nothing to offer in the way of sobriety. Why? Because she was not sober and had no idea of the concept. She simply told her story which took up half an hour of an hour meeting. She didn’t speak for 1/2 an hour but between her and the chairperson reading from a book a chapter that used to be called, “How It Works’ That term isn’t used anymore in their reading. How it works has been hijacked as a term for just about everyone and everything online, as an introduction to their particular niche or topic.

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What Is AA

Posted by admin on July 17, 2015
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AA is for someone who has a drinking problem. By attending AA meetings it’s like a visit to the Doctor to change thinking patterns of the mind. When they need “a check-up from the neck-up” as was once said in the early days in Alcoholics Anonymous (AA)

Sobriety can be achieved by attending AA meetings on a regular basis. Alcoholics (someone allergic to alcohol) comes to get sober and to learn what to do next once they stop drinking. Stopping drinking is only a start to the journey of sobriety. To achieve sobriety it takes time. Members need time to grasp a new way of thinking and living and looking at the world.


This doesn’t mean making AA a home. there’s very little sobriety in meetings these days. New members hoping to get sobriety information instead are told to pray and work steps. This problem is due to Doctors and Detox Centres and many institutions who are on the band wagon of making money from people wanting sobriety.

Also there’s no one to look after them. Instead what is happening now in AA is that people with no sobriety are opening up meetings and making AA their home. Sometimes they find a job because they’re not drinking now but this is the only thing that changes in their lives. Usually they have simply swapped drinking for working. They sit in meetings reading the big book and working steps and this action keeps the true alcoholic who visits their meeting, in the past. This is a same results as when drinking.

AA Prison Visits

Many will go on a roster to visit inmates in prison possibly under a delusion they can help someone. This is of course nonsense. God only knows what inmates are subjected to during such visits. They could only be reading the Big Book to them and telling them to work steps. This practice is of no value to people in prison or outside of prison.

AA members then have the problem of coping with people who come to meetings from prison and who have not been given correct information. They don’t even have basic information from outside visits on what to do when they do arrive at AA meetings.

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